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In physics today, while doing linear transformations with Lorentz transformations, we learned that the Pythagorean Theorem seems to not hold up - the hypotenuse is shorter than its legs.

Could math seriously be broken? Of course not - you just need to add the relativistic correctional factor. A little bit of scribbling in my notes reveals the following:

formula

And so the world is still complete. Obviously this does not corrupt the original definition, since for relatively low v the correctional factor can be ignored.

(Yes, I know this is horribly broken, and probably not symmetric and probably doesn't make sense. But I can have fun anyway, right?)

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Date: 2005-09-23 04:12 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] chrisamaphone
Hmm... nifty...
Still reading Wikipedia about Lorentz transformations in hopes of fully understanding this though...

You should post this to [livejournal.com profile] mathematics.

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Date: 2005-09-23 05:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bewaremybrain.livejournal.com
So, it really might not be my fault that I don't understand math? The whole thing might just be broken?

My existance has been validated.

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Date: 2005-09-23 05:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] qedragon.livejournal.com
So they haven't told you this yet, but Relativity takes place on a four-dimensional Minkowski manifold. As a base of comparison, a Euclidean manifold in n dimensions has a distance metric
$(ds)^2 = \sum_{i=1}^n (dx_i)^2$ whereas an n dimensional Minkowski metric, using $t = x_1$ to denote the timelike axis, has $(ds)^2 = -(dt)^2 + \sum_{i=2}^n (dx_i)^2$.

The upshot of this is that the pythagorean theorem holds in all space-like dimensions of a Minkowski manifold, but that the shortest distance between two time-separated points is no longer a straight line (as it would be if the hypotenuse were the longest leg). One instead finds that for (t_1, x) and (t_2,x) that the straight line between them is the longest path between them.

Hope that helps.

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Date: 2005-09-23 05:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psifenix.livejournal.com
You beat me to it! :o

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Date: 2005-09-23 09:01 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
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Date: 2005-09-23 09:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mogrothir.livejournal.com
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That was me, by the way. Stupid work computers.

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